tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8381325282381614408.post9110466314231964817..comments2023-08-09T07:49:58.343-07:00Comments on Queen of the Munchkins: How Feminism is Still Hurting LDS Families--Part IKaren Dickhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14371124494084729526noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8381325282381614408.post-26476856040236184182015-07-13T11:06:12.108-07:002015-07-13T11:06:12.108-07:00OH! The blog post I referred you to, Andrew:
htt...OH! The blog post I referred you to, Andrew:<br /><br />http://www.womeninthescriptures.com/2015/06/the-reason-you-love-jane-austen-and-i.htmlKaren Dickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14371124494084729526noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8381325282381614408.post-48416435300105440042015-07-13T11:05:51.442-07:002015-07-13T11:05:51.442-07:00Thanks for the comment, Andrew. I think you might...Thanks for the comment, Andrew. I think you might enjoy a blog post I read just this morning that talks about the difference between egalitarian feminism and maternal feminism, which I think might be what you're referring to. If I had to classify myself as a feminist, I think I'd reach for maternal feminism, which is an older and more traditional view of women as forces for good in the world. <br />Sue, I love your succinct and perfect insight: the gospel teaches the best kind of equality in relationships. You just summed up my three thousand words in ten. Karen Dickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14371124494084729526noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8381325282381614408.post-7839954027006766772015-07-12T15:51:18.702-07:002015-07-12T15:51:18.702-07:00Brilliant post with great insights. I grew up a fe...Brilliant post with great insights. I grew up a feminist and was taught that men were more of a hindrance than help. Since finding the Gospel my eyes have been opened and now I am all about advocating respect for men, which the world has lost. We need men and women in families. They are both part of the plan and both crucial. The Gospel teaches the best kind of equality in relationships, how we both have necessary complimentary roles to perform that ensure the happiness and security of our families. Those who believe otherwise will always struggle to find happiness, as seen with my own family.MyDonkeySixhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07861397951491678059noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8381325282381614408.post-42107898633911041812015-06-30T13:14:25.310-07:002015-06-30T13:14:25.310-07:00An email from Google+ gave me a link this page, so...An email from Google+ gave me a link this page, so that's how I got here. Anyway, I think it is more useful to see feminism as a branching tree rather than waves. For instance, I agree with Christina Hoff Sommers and her view of feminism taxonomy. I'm in favor of almost everything "equity feminism" and totally disagree with "gender feminism." I think this distinction would be apt for your arguments, also. Andrewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16863118797568010809noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8381325282381614408.post-62034347903773173222015-06-12T06:56:50.086-07:002015-06-12T06:56:50.086-07:00This is such a good post. Feminism definitely gets...This is such a good post. Feminism definitely gets way too much credit for things it hasn't done. I agree in my life and our culture, feminism has been credited with things that should always be part of a healthy marriage and a healthy woman's life, like those things Spencer cited in his comment: regular exercise, time with friends, personal time, help from husband with the house and family, and (I might add) the opportunities to stretch and use her brain and potential without being confined by narrow-minded ideas about what a woman can or cannot do. I once had a Bishop assure me that I could do anything I wanted in this world; that I could be a CEO for a major organization or anything I could aspire to. And then he assured me that my great talents were not wasted, but best used, as a wife and mother. At the time, I kind of thought, "Duh". But that has stuck with me, and I think all women need to know that about themselves and embrace it. The Bailey Familyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01890099783344389634noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8381325282381614408.post-70235729844536908952015-06-11T03:14:21.325-07:002015-06-11T03:14:21.325-07:00Spence, I've said it before and I'll say i...Spence, I've said it before and I'll say it again: you have a treasure of a women there. I've been thinking about your phrase, "joking about being a feminist." It's sad to me that the word and even the idea of female power has been so poisoned that it has become a joke in more conservative circles like ours. You talked to me earlier about LDS women taking back feminism, and that's kind of where I've always operated from. But recently I've begun feeling that to brand myself that way would be to miss out on something even bigger. I don't know. Lots to think about here. Karen Dickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14371124494084729526noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8381325282381614408.post-65274925773246912032015-06-11T03:09:14.110-07:002015-06-11T03:09:14.110-07:00I am with you, Sarah. I wish we could bring every...I am with you, Sarah. I wish we could bring everyone back home. It seems that so much of the heartache--SO MUCH--in this world comes from what did or didn't happen at home. I am so grateful for home builders like my parents! Karen Dickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14371124494084729526noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8381325282381614408.post-61778664196872086142015-06-10T14:56:43.658-07:002015-06-10T14:56:43.658-07:00Kristen and I often joke about her being a feminis...Kristen and I often joke about her being a feminist because she's aggressive and defensive when it comes to what she deserves as a woman and as a person. But she's always right! The things she wants for herself (such as personal time, regular exercise, earning an income, winning a certain number of arguments, going out with her friends, help from me with raising our children and cleaning our house) are things that make her a happier person, strengthen our family, and help us both be better spouses and parents. The type of feminism the world celebrates is so limited and false in comparison, as you point out. We know the well of happiness offered by popular opinion is poisoned, and yet we find ourselves wondering why we don't visit it. I think a key to finding joy is learning to question our assumptions. When I'm unhappy it is often because I'm assuming the world is right about my decisions, and I am wrong. Assuming a worldly perspective is often necessary, because we live in the world, we interact with friends in the world, we work and learn in the world. But that perspective loses all relevance in moments of self evaluation or in seeking happiness.Spencerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03595933506005553489noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8381325282381614408.post-51530818475757469132015-06-09T18:18:18.679-07:002015-06-09T18:18:18.679-07:00That quote by Elder Holland, I don't remember ...That quote by Elder Holland, I don't remember hearing that but it resonates with something I felt strongly while reading The Story of the World. I read about the invention of the factory and I wanted to be a Luddite! If only they had succeeded! I was shocked when I considered how much that one change did to destroy the family, by taking each family member away from home, one at a time, starting with the fathers. I wish we could bring everyone back home.Sarahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16961294426397384320noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8381325282381614408.post-50664539697365705822015-06-09T18:12:06.073-07:002015-06-09T18:12:06.073-07:00Great thoughts, Jonathan. The media is constantly...Great thoughts, Jonathan. The media is constantly twisting the family into something negative, and I think even those of us who think we reject the message can get dragged down by it. I love the Kirby salesman analogy. So many times we don't realize we've been taken for a ride until it is far too late. I am so grateful for the guidance provided by the Proclamation on the Family! As far as a masculist movement, which was suggested by my brother on reading this post, too, I would join it. Actually, wouldn't it be great if all of us feminists and masulists could just be humanists? Because I think, deep down, we all want what's best for our daughters AND our sons.Karen Dickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14371124494084729526noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8381325282381614408.post-86689454009517135812015-06-08T22:30:31.609-07:002015-06-08T22:30:31.609-07:00So true... So should I start a "masculinist&q...So true... So should I start a "masculinist" movement and fight for my right to be at home with the children? After all... What is more truly masculine than being a loving father? The world would say "a lot of things"... like big pecs, super-hero-like fighting skills, fast cars, positions of worldly power, loads of cash, secular knowledge and expertise, and an entourage of women... Sounds like I'm describing the latest Avengers movie or the next Fast and Furious sequel... <br /><br />Isn't it ironic that the feminist movement and the worlds idea of masculinity BOTH push men AND women further away from what makes them truly male and female, masculine and feminine... being a mother and a father... a husband and wife... Filling different but EQUAL roles aimed at the SAME purpose... Making a home.<br /><br />The odd thing to me is that even Hollywood seems to still perpetuate some vestiges of true feminine and masculine roles and even, however cursory it may be, acknowledge that these roles in the family are the best source of happiness... But then... You realize the only reason they are showing you what happiness is... Is so they can exaggerate its costs and pitch them as flaws.... And then try to sell you pleasure instead of happiness attempting to convince you it is a flawless way of living with no costs (at least for you).. only rewards<br /><br />It's like the Kirby salesman that has you bring out your own vacuum first... Just to try to show you however good yours may be... Theirs is BETTER... After all wouldn't you be even MORE impressed with the Kirby picking up additional dirt if yours did an awesome job up first?<br /><br />It's like the ONLY reason they pull out "the family" is so they can say "sure that may be good... But we can do BETTER"... You can have a family AND be a Super hero with explosive arrows and big pecs (dad).... Or... You can have a family AND be a high powered executive (mom) <br /><br />Except you don't find out until AFTER you both try to do both things at the same time that it's your family always pays the price... Not the other things<br /><br />Just like they don't tell you that the Kirby cost $8,000 until AFTER the presentation... and you end up paying for it the rest of your life... And what do you do then?... You don't say "I'm a moron and that sales guys was a scoundrel"... You say "I'm a genius for INVESTING in this because my old thing was a piece of junk"<br /><br />Unfortunately the cost for investing in the worlds model of pleasure with all its gadgets and accessories that I don't need is too high... And fortunately I realize that my simple model of happiness in the family works perfectly and already come with a eternal warranty backed by God himself... So don't let the Kirby salesman in... Just have your kids sweep the floor more oftenJonathan Dickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15348277916988182233noreply@blogger.com